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Post by Zoroastre on Oct 15, 2014 12:21:16 GMT
Also Sprach Mav
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Post by [BC]Onde Aander on Oct 15, 2014 13:50:28 GMT
Mav, what everyone is really saying is we are sad that you feel you have to leave the game, and wish you would return.
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Post by Royalty on Oct 15, 2014 19:10:32 GMT
Good has spawn advantage on: (* = heavy advantage) Isengard Conquest (*) i wouldnt say that good has a heavy advantage, map is kind of hard to win for both teams
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Post by Royalty on Oct 15, 2014 19:43:31 GMT
Good may have the more favourable spawns or the advantage of elevation on almost every map, but regardless, most games are dominated by evil team due to there being a vast imbalance of power across the servers. Speaking with 3 years of experience playing for Valar on good team, I can say that the majority of the good faction is comprised of new, inexperienced players, while the more experienced players have a tendency to drift towards evil, leaving Valar to fight alone to fight evil(proof to be given upon request). Ever since the formation of BC, teams have rarely been balanced. Teams are only biased against evil now that the lc vs bc rivalry has spurred lc on to predominantly play for good, otherwise I believe that teams would remain as unfair as ever. You dismissed all of Good's advantages and then contradicted my perspective with your own, so even if Valar (without LC, eQ, -insert incognito player here-) was "alone", they would still have all of those aforementioned advantages. Fact is, even with prime BC activity on the servers, there are seldom more than 3 on Evil. Joppi only plays clan wars, Sector and Will often play on Good, and even Tiburon will sometimes too. Myself, Mai Mai, Merl, and Mortis (mmmmmm? xD) are the only ones who routinely play on Evil. Put all the Good regulars on Evil and vice versa and watch how fast things change. Evil fights uphill battles. Bottom line. Even if you posit a 50/50, evenly stacked 8v8 player match-up, objectively, Good still has the advantage in every aspect, save Heroes where Evil gets Saruman or MoS. lol the reason why Ive dismissed the advantages you mentioned is because any advantage for good is worthless if the team fails to capitalise on it. A team filled with experienced players is always going to win against a team of new players, provided that they play the objective. Helms Deep is a good example: half the time evil caps the gate because the inexperienced good players all stand round capping the inner keep first. Once the main gate is capped the advantage from high ground is pretty much neutralised. As for heroes, when teams are unbalanced, games usually end so quickly that good team fails to reach the number of points necessary to unlock the hero. Half the time hero gets bs anyway Perhaps things have changed now and the combination of LC and the advantages of good team spawns/heroes mean that teams are frequently biased against evil (personally I disagree, Ive had some of the closest games over the last few months), but I assure you that for the last 3 years teams have usually been unfairly balanced with good being hardest hit As for aesthetic and moral appeal, imo that causes most of the new players gravitate towards good rather than evil xD. valar is a prime example of the newer players being morally drawn towards good (at least the first valar members). It wasnt until after this post that lc really started to play for good: Mar 27, 2014 14:57:05 GMT 1 Ding said: YOu dont play often, so you might not now, but the games have been very unbalanced recently. All BC and many LC members play Evil. It is some sort of tradition that some clans always play good, some play evil. Valar and the Dead TLA and extinct Empire clans. Were groups of players playing on the good side. On the other hand, the BC, Tactic, Eqclan were playing on the evil side. It was balanced at some points, but now that Empire and TLA are gone, the teams begin to turn uneven. In an normal game in mixed. The evil team always has equal or 1 player more than good. Besides that: in good team, there are aprox 2 valar and 1 or 2 LC and with some aditonal nubs, who rage leading to even more uneven teams. The evil side on the other hand, has many experienced players. All good team can do is group up, get a strong possition and use ringpower or strategy to win matches. To call that gang, it is a weird thing to do. In any clanwar or mixed fight, both good and evil, LC and BC try to do so. The difference is that Valar and good in general, vs the unbalanced evil team, is that Valar isnt often able to win, due the superiority of evil team, both in numbers, and in skills. Imagine an army of knights or soldiers in general who invade a little town of peasents. Its just like that. Valar might be camping, ganging at some moment in the mixed, but anybody does. Overal, I think it deserves respect for beeying the only remaining clan in community who generaly plays in the good team. Sure there are players on LC who play in good teams every now and then, but nontheless, most of the fights in mixed wont last longer than aprox 10-15 minutes. For evil to win. It commes to a point where some Valar intend to go play on the evil side, sometimes abandon their clanmates. sometimes due lack of space on good teams, sometime due other reasons. Greetings Gunther
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 21:28:56 GMT
is it weird to like a post inwhich im quoted? anyway, it the truth in my view on the situation. Due to rivalcy of LC vs BC. There are more people on good team who understand how the game works. LC and some valar, are now combined into 1 team considering Roy, Stig and I are both, it demonstrates there is a bond between them, although some valar cant stand some LC, proved in names of clanwar (or very much like each other) idk . Due the teams are even again with skills, intelegence and tactics. Games tend to be less ease for evil team to win. This combined with a possible advantage in startingpossitions, spawns or heroes conduct to a bigger chance that the good side wins a match. Over the last 2 years I have been playing, there wasnt much of a balance. Evil team mostly won.Besides a few big moments where evil clans were inactive or valarclan had like 15 members including suzda and glorfindel. That shit realy won matches for good side. Considering 2 years of relatively more losses, I think now it is time for a time where BC is gonna lose some more matches in mixed. To bring up all things like bad heroes, bad maps or whatever, well I kinda think its a small part of the problems, and frankly that problem isnt mine xD. Its not frustrating if you win, but to get used of winning and then suddenly lose more fights in mixed(not to mention first clanwar defeat of BC, the big evil side clan) it might be seen as a shock, annoyed and unfair. In order to maybe win more matches, try get more active members(some BC stop playing in mixed after the clanwars are over) or perhaps change tactics, strategies or whatever. Many LC and BC understand this game better than me. Whenever there are unbalanced teams with 8vs6 or whatever I try to switch, but I it should be a 2 way thing. I hope we can all be 'grey' but I doubt it will happen, there might be more tollerance in the game if we do so. Due the fact that I will be leaving this game shortly I think there will be 1 player less on good side. ^^ LC lost 1 tier 7 scout. gg wp. If LC or BC realy cant stand good side wins and teams keep unbalanced either way, well, you can allways rage or take the boat to the undying lands, and leave this game until there will be new clanwars. Greetings Gunther
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 21:31:17 GMT
btw Roy, where did you get that quote? xD its like every big seemly important post has been copied and put into word for another time to use.
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Post by Royalty on Oct 15, 2014 21:34:23 GMT
btw Roy, where did you get that quote? xD its like every big seemly important post has been copied and put into word for another time to use. I remembered you writing something about people raging about valar mage and archer spam on lc forum and unfair teams xD
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Post by [BC]Onde Aander on Oct 15, 2014 22:55:04 GMT
"Last 2 years good team was always losing" = I call bullshit on that. Evil is usually disadvantaged, and it's same shit as it ever was, since the game was born and until it dies.
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Post by Curun!r on Oct 15, 2014 23:21:55 GMT
Many LC and BC understand this game better than me. For sure. Due the fact that I will be leaving this game shortly I think there will be 1 player less on good side. Good riddance.
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Post by -{TacTic}-Frodosam on Oct 15, 2014 23:48:10 GMT
Due the fact that I will be leaving this game shortly I think there will be 1 player less on good side. Why you leave?
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Post by [BC]Taco on Oct 16, 2014 1:39:51 GMT
lol the reason why Ive dismissed the advantages you mentioned is because any advantage for good is worthless if the team fails to capitalise on it. A team filled with experienced players is always going to win against a team of new players, provided that they play the objective. Helms Deep is a good example: half the time evil caps the gate because the inexperienced good players all stand round capping the inner keep first. Once the main gate is capped the advantage from high ground is pretty much neutralised. As for heroes, when teams are unbalanced, games usually end so quickly that good team fails to reach the number of points necessary to unlock the hero. Half the time hero gets bs anyway Perhaps things have changed now and the combination of LC and the advantages of good team spawns/heroes mean that teams are frequently biased against evil (personally I disagree, Ive had some of the closest games over the last few months), but I assure you that for the last 3 years teams have usually been unfairly balanced with good being hardest hit I'm not following your logic here. Good's advantages are fixed, inherent, and always operative. If Good loses, it doesn't mean that the advantages were worthless...quite the contrary: it probably means that the players on Good were worthless for losing in spite of their advantages. I'll say this once more: because of Good's favourable predisposition, Evil, regardless of teams, has to fight harder because the battles (though just slightly) are designed to be uphill; Evil attacks and Good defends. You guys are getting way too hung up on whether Good or Evil is the more "stacked" team. I'm not debating which team has the better roster, because they aren't permanent, and there's no right answer. Inevitably people and teams will wax and wane to adjust for imbalance issues, so it's no surprise to me that a long time ago Evil had more experienced players and Good was under oppression, not only because I was one of those players on Evil (guilty xD), but because the power shifts all the time. It's normal. A week ago Good team WAS way more stacked than Evil (hence all this discussion), but it's even less of a surprise to me that that has already changed, thanks to BC in response becoming more active and restoring order to the servers (lol). It's called "competition", you might have heard of it. And oh yeah, it's kind of what keeps this game fun and alive. Here's a better question: which is more futile: refuting the fact that Good is inherently easier than Evil, or debating whether Good or Evil is absolutely more stacked when it keeps oscillating?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 7:08:57 GMT
Due the fact that I will be leaving this game shortly I think there will be 1 player less on good side. Why you leave? well, to trave 4/4.5 hours every week, just to play a game which prevents me from studying, I think it is best to play less. Due the fact im addicted as fuck, it simply is the only reasonable option xD. And besides that, achieved all things which were on my 'to do' list for this game. Without me there might be more balance in game? Idk, personality, chaotic mind yessir. Pure skill? Its out there somewhere! I know you bitches will miss me, perhaps I will be back one day, (in order to do that, I have to leave first). Text me skype, xfire if any of you feel for a talk. YOu all heard my voice now anyway
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Post by [BC]Onde Aander on Oct 16, 2014 9:28:20 GMT
I know you bitches will miss me, perhaps I will be back one day, (in order to do that, I have to leave first). Text me skype, xfire if any of you feel for a talk. YOu all heard my voice now anyway Keep in touch, nab. I'll miss the competition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 11:37:43 GMT
I know you bitches will miss me, perhaps I will be back one day, (in order to do that, I have to leave first). Text me skype, xfire if any of you feel for a talk. YOu all heard my voice now anyway Keep in touch, nab. I'll miss the competition. I will miss you the most Onde, from all people of community. , never forget, call me: 06-123498472
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Post by Arnii_ramone on Oct 16, 2014 13:42:17 GMT
Dooong! We leave and come back together!
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